– So, I think they’re trying to expedite as quickly as possible. – So, what I’m hearing, and
I just want to make sure, February 21st, that will be the day that
the committee of 21, 22 – [Lady In Stripped Shirt] 20. – 20, whatever it is, they
will complete the short list, and I’m hearing, I’m
just going to throw it, it’s three to five, minimum
three, maximum five, I’m just throwing that out so
we can start discussing that, but anyways, because that
was a sort of an unknown. In February 23rd is where the
public forums are going to be and, in general, that’s going to be a 45 minutes per candidate,
and that’s not set, I’m just putting information out, with five set questions
that they can answer. Then from there, and by the
way, at that February 23rd, it’s the college community
’cause a question came up, a good one, about… I don’t know if that’s
one where trustees would or would not attend, but then
on February 25th is where the board of trustees
would meet to interview the first three of those three to five, final estimate case selection hopefully. That’s what I’m hearing right now. – President Baxter, I worry. Are we gonna have, if this
public forum is gonna be on the 23rd, are we gonna
have all the comments in our possession by the 25th? Is that gonna allow for sufficient time? – [Lady Holding Microphone]
That will be the plan. We will work
– ‘Cause February 23rd is a Thursday. – [Lady Holding Microphone] Right. Right. – Okay. Is there a way that someone, that it could be a designated person that’s supposed to just
email it, the comments to? – [Lady Holding Microphone]
Can you elaborate on that? – Maybe you since you’re
the non-voting member with the public meetings, or someone can be a scribe in
those meetings, and we’d be– – Oh, we have a process by which they will be able
to put forth their evaluation and they’ll be picked up. – [Lady In Stripped Shirt]
Okay, so but by 25th, we’ll have them all? Everyone’s caught up?
– We will work to make that happen. – Okay, then I’m in favor of that. – What do you mean everybody’s comment? – In the public forums. – Oh. – [Lady Holding Microphone] The evaluation from the participants. – I’m sorry. I’m redesigning this entire process now. What was supposed to be done in November. And, I want to be really clear about this. On the 21st, the committee is going to give us a number of
names and, by the way, my understanding was
recommendation was three to five, but they weren’t, we
didn’t held them to that. – No. That’s a suggestion. – That’s exactly right. But, yeah, it could be more. Anyway, so we clear on that? That’s three to five, okay. – [Lady Holding Microphone]
Yes, absolutely. In fact, it’s on the proposed timeline that we have on the website
that was formulated previously. It says, essentially
three to five candidates. – So, they’re gonna give us candidates, but what they’re going
to do is just give us the names of those candidates, right? They’re not gonna be a lot of, I mean, and then, the written
information is readily available because that was available
to the search committee. So, the question is are
we getting anything else from the committee other
than the names and the date? Evaluations? Are we getting comments, or is it just these are your finalists? – You can get pretty
much whatever you want. Since I am the EEO and EEO
Chair, I can have a conversation with you about how the discussions went. – Okay, I didn’t think about that. But, there certainly isn’t,
at this time, contemplated that we get interviews
with all the 22 members of the committee, and they’re
gonna provide their input to us on these candidates
that was never contemplated (mumbling) – [EEO Chair] No. – So, I mean, I think the
cleanest thing is for us to get the recommendations
and the paperwork, and then, we have public
forums which we can attend, my understanding is we can
attend, but we don’t participate. – [EEO Chair] That would be correct. – Okay, good. And, the reason for that is we
want to watch them in action and see how we think that they do. And then, after that’s over,
we take a vacation for the 24th and we come back on the 25th
and we discuss this in vote. Should we talk about it now? – [EEO Chair] Yeah, you
would interview on the 25th and if you’re prepared to vote,
you would vote on the 25th. – Where’s Tom Clark when we need him? – [Blonde Man] I know. – Okay, I think that’s a clear process that I would go along with. – [Black-Haired Man] President Baxter. – Yes? – Just another quick question. Do we know how long the last search took? Was it two months, was it longer? – [Otto] It was longer than this. – [Baxter] Jackie, do you know? – [Jackie] It was close to six months. – Close to six months. (mumbling) – This is a process we
described as brace yourself. – Right. – [Lady In Stripped Shirt]
Okay, can we move on to the next slide (murmurs)? – Yes, that’s fine with me. – Is this all agreed upon? – [Lady In Stripped Shirt]
Yeah, it’s information. – Yeah, but everything we do,
this is the one we move with. So, I want my colleagues
to just complete, again… I’m not thrilled I’m doing
what I’m doing right now, doing it this way, but it is what it is. But, on February 21st, we have
that 23rd, we have that forum then to be very clear
on the format of it all. It’s going to be 45 minutes, we have that. Everyone’s comfortable with that. We can, if you wish to attend,
it is gonna be a college-wide so it will not be, the
questions will be predetermined, established by the search committee. It’ll come up with five questions. – [Otto] I don’t think that, the search committee does not
come up with the questions. – [EEO Chair] That is correct. I would think that– – [Blonde Man] Or does. Why I’m bringing him up here in public, because those are exactly
the questions I would’ve had if there’s such thing as rec,
this is a recommendations. So, that’s why, and this will
come and be a trip-wire on us. So, the five questions. – So, might I recommend that
Vice President Delgaudio work with Dr. Baxter and trustee Kellogg to devise the five questions
that will be utilized in the public forum. – Actually, I think we
did this in the past and it’s a good idea to
involve the faculty somehow in formation of these questions. – How about if we add in academic senate president Hurricane? (mumbling) – [EEO Chair] And, I
would suggest that we– – [Lady In Stripped Shirt] I’m
sorry, what about classified? We need to have representation
for the classified, not just– – You know, given the timeframe that we’ve now created
tonight, which is very short, I think that if you put too many people on the how we come up with
the questions committee, it’s gonna be dysfunctional and because I see
Alejandra over there going, “What about the students?” “Why can’t the students do this as well?” And, I think if we have
a faculty representative, if we have the ad hoc committee and (mumbles) Vice President Delgaudio, most people can come up with the questions.
– I’m sorry, but I couldn’t disagree
more, respectfully. I think the classified
staff are a very important constituency of this pick, and I don’t think we should dismiss that, not that that’s what you’re
trying to do, trustee Otto, but they should have a seat at the table, at least in drafting these questions. – Do you have a seat at
the table that had a state at the seat at the table for
the entire search process? – Yeah, so do the faculty and so do– – There is people, on
a proportionate level. – All of us, but I think
it’s important to have them represented in having
a say in the questions. – Can I make a recommendation
that the committee that puts together the
questions would be the two, the faculty union representatives and the classified senate rep
and the academic senate rep and myself and trustee Lomeli. – [Lady In Stripped Shirt] And
classified union president. – Right. Correct. – [Lady In Stripped Shirt]
Not just the senate. – Didn’t I say, I
mentioned that all unions, all union president. – [Lady In Stripped Shirt]
You said classified (mumbles). – Oh, sorry, well. – [Lady In Stripped
Shirt] You said senate, classified senate president. – Them too. That would include you. – Okay, Rose, could you
repeat that for just one? – Okay, it would be the
president of the faculty union, the president of the classified union, the president of the part-time union. It would include the
classified senate president, the faculty academic senate president, student trustee Lomeli, and myself. – [Ozzo] But, not the members
of the ad hoc committee? – If you so choose. – Can I just, I’ll make
a suggestion and see where we want to go with this one. That’s fine, the five questions. One question historically
is why do you want to be superintendent president
at Long Beach City College? When you get, you just named so many different constituency groups that they’re all gonna want to ask you very specific questions
to their specific needs. So, I’d only say that is that
funnel screw get the final say would be the ad hoc
committee, and we’ll come up with the five questions
that we get from all of you because my fear is you’re
going to not have five. And, if you do, they’re
gonna be a paragraph long. So, again, the intent of the open forum is it’s just to let people see. Now, I shared this conversation
previously, but we’re going to use an open forum here at LAC. It’s none of those because
it’ll be at one forum for each one at LAC. So, the question always come up, what about UCC, so on and so forth. Well, I’m assuming only that
we’re gonna have forum at LAC, there’ll be a 45 minute in
place, I’m just trying to… Ramblers here, at LAC. Each person will have
five questions presented, they will answer those in their timeline, but I don’t even know how broad
option be, but this is why I only tell you certain
colleges, this is why they have little, mini ingredients
with each constituency group. Their administration with your adjuncts, with your full-time, your
classified, and your students. And, they make a round robin
and they go and they speak to each one of those specific groups so they can have their specific time. That is a whole other set
of timelines and meetings and organizations that is
something that happens, but I just want to note that I have thought this
thing through a couple times, and I have observed these a couple times, but it’s just for this one,
I would only say long-winded, is that so whatever questions
come up, if they can run by the ad hoc committee so
we can finally look at it and just see what would be a good question to put in the five. And, my colleagues have
suggestions as well. I mean, it won’t happen here. I mean, there’s no ground act violation. – I think that’s a good suggestion. The constituency groups
can bring the questions and you guys can decide
on the five questions. I’m okay with that. – And, the best news about
that is that that committee, of all those various constituency groups, can start meeting tomorrow. – That’s true. – To work on those questions and can meet as many times
– And, it’s inclusive of everybody. – Yes, we have plenty
time to make that happen. And, so then, once we
formulate those five questions, I will forward them to
the ad hoc committee. Okay. (murmuring) – Thank you, thank you. I agree with the suggestion to have the constituent
groups submit questions, and I think if we did an all call, we probably would get the
same question, you know, three or four times in some
varying degree of language because people tend to ask the same thing of a prospective candidate. So, having the ad hoc
committee which, you know, has the respect of being
in a separate committee for this purpose, cues
the top five questions. We’ll give them an opportunity
to take the submissions and make them applicable to everybody. I’m happy that the
journalism students are here because maybe the Viking
could produce some survey to what questions would you ask to the superintendent president? Hint, hint, you know, if
you choose to do that. But, one thing is– – On multiple questions. – Correct. One, Trustee Kellogg
mentioned the round robin. I think that’s a great idea. I’ve been a part of something like that, and if we were to do that,
and I would leave it up to the ad hoc committee, I think a good opportune
time would be on the 23rd. After the community forum is
to have the full-time faculty, part-time faculty, classified
staff, the admin group, sit in a room where, you know,
after each candidate presents or after it’s concluded, go in there for a meet
and greet, shake hands because one of the things we talked about in hiring a new superintendent
president is the personality and how personable that candidate
is, and if there’s a room set up somewhere, five
rooms in the tea building, where you could walk
in, shake hands, meet, you get a lot of… You know, the impression that
you get and the opportunity that you have to meet someone that way, I’m glad you brought that up. I think that would be great
if we can make it happen, even if we were to limit it to 30 minutes. You’ve got five candidates. You know, five candidates,
five rooms, five groups, whoever can make it from
your part-time and full-time and the admins, to sit there because they’re gonna
take the information back, and they’ll take the impression
back to the rest of ’em, and say, you know, this
candidate walked in and didn’t shake hands
or didn’t say anything or kind of was like, you know, too tired, the stamina wasn’t there. How are they going to be
able to lead our college? As opposed to, this person
walked in and had all this energy and I just think that’s a good idea. I don’t know if the ad hoc
committee would consider doing that, but – One thing, what would they do like you have a weak handshake. How are they gonna, I’m a
little worried about that, but then, how do they
communicate their impressions? – They just go back to
their bodies and plus, we’re gonna get those surveys
at the end of the open forum. We’ll get that feedback that night. Rose said that they’ll, but
I don’t think it’s so much as that feedback we’ll
get from the open forum as remember, warm and fuzzy. Remember, that was a very
important phrase that we used. I think giving or having a
reception, even, after the forum. Having a reception where, after the forum, they all sit there and they could mingle with whoever is there, will
give us a good opportunity to interact with them and to see what their personality is like. But, that’s up to the ad hoc committee, whatever you guys decide to do. – But, one thing is they
will be taken around campus. So, there would be a
chance for people to greet (mumbling) Probably on Friday. – Of course. Throw that in (mumbles). – [Rose] So, we’re talking a tour? – Well, okay, let me just
tell you that I am listening to the consultant that we
are paying good money for, and she was against having
different constituent groups. That doesn’t mean, you know, we’re paying her, she’s not paying us. That doesn’t mean we don’t have to do it, that we have to do something. But, I’m just telling you, I
brought up this concept to her and she was not in favor, but that doesn’t mean we
have to follow her advice, just telling you. And, the thing about… Yeah, yeah, right, right,
we don’t have to follow her. The thing about meeting
with the different groups, to what end? Because who are they gonna say, I didn’t like Vivian’s handshake, she didn’t have a nice hand,
or I didn’t like her smile or something like that, you know. I’m concerned about those kinds of things, and maybe I’m inadvertently (mumbles). – Well, you know, what I can
say to that is that, hopefully, the board will be present at the forums, and we’ll get a feel for it yourself. – [President Baxter] Yeah. – Can I add to that, President Baxter? I agree with you and yet, I could see trustee Meloubourn’s point. You know, it’s not just
we don’t want someone who is intellectually on paper
and he’s a good interviewer, we want to make sure the dynamic and the chemistry’s also there which is very important. The emotional intelligence, and perhaps that could be measured by us attending these forums or
through the interviews, but I think she’s onto
something and that interaction, it’s just so nuisance that, not necessarily would derail the process, but it would be a
noteworthy thing to observe. And, I could see that point of
view, so like you said, Rose, perhaps we could just attend
and see the interaction. Be a fly on the wall and
observe, not participate, and see them interact with
folks and where they’re at. Hopefully, they’re not snooty. – If I may add, having sat through at least five public forums
at different institutions that I’ve worked, you get
a feel for the candidates at the forums. You know, if you wanted to see
how they handled themselves on the fly, you could potentially
allow a couple questions that come out from the audience
that aren’t pre-scripted. That would be a way to do it,
but it would be very difficult to try to hold forums and
then, to hold meetings with the individual constituent groups because you wouldn’t
want all five candidates to be in the same room, at the same time because we do have to protect
their confidentiality. Even though they are here as a finalist, they may or may not have told folks back at their institution
that they’re a finalist, and I think we need to respect
that from the candidates. And, if you start, you
know, we can contain kind of the forums somewhat,
but when you start having more and more meetings, then
word is gonna get out relatively quickly. It’s a very small community
of 113 colleges in California. – [Rose] Trustee Kellogg. – So yeah, and I brought that up because that was my thought processes, is we’re developing this
to make recommendations back to the full board. Either option A to have a
lot of multiple meetings with each constituency group
or have an over-reaching forum with all the constituency groups. The challenge of that
is not letting one group to college dominate that,
and how you would eliminate, that is by, having set questions. And, that’s what we will do. The other thing, that
we make recommendations because it is such a tight timeline, and the point to
confidentiality is one of those very unusual situations,
but these are not, I would recommend that, and some people, I would rather just be up-front right now, is not something that
you put a camera on them. There’s no reason for that. A lot of people say they like to have that because then, other people can watch it. I can tell you from past experiences, the only thing that comes out
of that is where they were previously or currently at, it comes back to haunt that candidate
because they’ll take the video that’s now YouTube. And so, I would just suggest
that it’s a Long Beach process for the Long Beach City College
Community, and it’s not one to be posted on YouTube, et cetera. Word gets out in many other
ways, but I think this timeline, so, that’s why I brought it up. That was the other option. If that’s what you want to do,
but I think we’re clean here. And, with the 21st,
the 23rd, and the 25th, and at the 25th, we will see
what we have and what we want to do, whether we feel very
comfortable in moving forward. I’m very optimistic on
having 29 applicants. I’ll be curious like everybody
else to see who they are, but also rely on the search committee of 20, and 21, 22 members
to give us that short list of three, minimal of
three, not to exceed five per what we had talked about. If we feel, and we’ll
address it at that time, but I think that’s what we have to do. And, I’m not gonna bring
up my other items right now because it may start another conversation on traditionally what
you do and the searches as far as background, so on. I’ll hope for the material
will always be there with us, and we won’t have to take a
visit to their existing college to interview people there,
which some people do. But, right now, I’m cool with the 21st, the 23rd, and the 25th, and– – How about we hire a private
investigator, trustee Kellogg, (laughs) to go in there and
look at their background? – To that point, is that, and as weird as it seems – I was kidding. I’m just kidding.
– Funny, I know. But, to that point, there was a search that the finals was sitting there and at that finalist meeting,
it had finally come up that the all the information
that had come to that person, the one thing that just didn’t seem to get to that government board,
is that the person was fired from their previous job,
and it didn’t come forward. And, the point was, why didn’t
we hire that investigator? Well, that’s just googling things, but– – Librarians found the information. – Yeah, so there’s lots
of ways, but again, to present President Gable’s
point, it’s a small community and unless we’re getting
a high number of people from outside the State, most
people do know everyone. But, so, I feel comfortable. We work through it. If everyone of you is
comfortable with this and, again, the option if we
wanna be there for the forum, I really like to have people
that I can get feedback from, and we’ll see how it goes. That’s a long day though, by the way. And, again, there’s a point of, I don’t think you can do
both those type of processes. I just think there’s
too many moving parts, and it wouldn’t reach
what you want it to be, and that is to help us
get to a final decision. So, I’m comfortable. We have some thank you all
for the processes we work through the 21st, 23rd, and
25th, and we’ll see what we get. – You want to say something
else, trustee Zia? – No, I just am happy
with these suggestions and ready to move on to the next. – Okay, trustee Otto. – I have one more suggestion. I have one more suggestion and that is, we don’t
video-tape the forum. – I think he just said that. Jeff just said that. – We’ve now agreed on that? – Yeah. Nobody disagreed. – Okay. Yeah, no I think that– – Just working? – [Rose] Jerome, you’re off the hook. (laughing) – I was gonna say, I have
complete confidence in Jerome, but it’s because of my
confidence that I’m worried because he would get it dead-on. Yeah.
– Okay. – And, I just ask one
point of clarification. I want to be clear. President Gable mentioned
that we could ask im-prompted questions. And, there wasn’t really
any decision around that. Is that a no, we’re not doing that? – What my understanding was
ad hoc will finally come up with the five set questions to present to each one of the member. – [Rose] Okay. – That’s it. There will
be no open questions. – Okay, one last point of clarification. Are we doing tours or not? Because I need to know. (mumbling) Tours, yes. – [President Baxter] You’d
have to do it the 24th. – The 23rd. The 23rd. We can do it after their
forum presentation. We can take ’em on the
tour if that’s the wish of the board.
– You can take all of them on the same tour. You would never– – Yeah, and obviously, you know, we’re doing it individually. – [President Baxter] Well,
I think that they deserve, especially if they don’t live around here, they deserve to see the campus. – I think it’s awkward to
have all the candidates in, let’s just not do the tour. – [Otto] Yeah, I think
we should only pick two of ’em to put on there. (laughing) – [Blonde Woman In Black] It
would be individual tours. – [Rose] Yeah, no, no, no,
it is individual tours. Yeah. – How is that gonna… I’m assuming confidentiality
in this when we were, but I remembered, when we
went through our search at the port of Long Beach, it
was like sequestering people and no press around. So, how are we gonna manage that if we’re gonna give these folks a tour? Somebody’s gonna, you know, find (laughs) it’s a public tour, you know. I’m just saying that, you know, perhaps we need to be a
little bit more non-discrete than discrete, and we’ll go with the tour. – [Rose] Okay. We don’t have to do it. I just wanna be clear. Okay. – I would also like to just
have clarification too. I just want to make sure. On February 21st, the
selection committee will meet to come up with the short list – [President Baxter] Right. – Which they will announce
to us or whomever. – [President Baxter] Rose will
contact us with the answer. – So, that means that
on the 21st by 5 p.m., those five people will know or whatever, I just said that.
– Sometime that evening. – They’ll know that they’re
supposed to be here on the 23rd. Got it.
– [Rose] Right. – So, if they’re out of state, they need to make arrangements. They have 30 hours to do that. – We will immediately contact ’em. Given this timeline, as soon as we know who the finalists are,
we will be on the phone to let them know. – Got it. – And, they will already know
that this is a possibility – Right. – If they need to withdraw. – Okay, and then they have, So, the 23rd will be public forums and if we do something
very casual afterward, I don’t know how that’s gonna work. But, on the 24th, there’s
kind of an open day. If they want to tour the campus,
somebody will be available to host them. – [Rose] We could make that available. – And, they will do it at
separate times, individually. Not together. And, the 24th is really the only day. – I’m sorry, I thought
we’re not doing tours. – They’re not together. – I know. I thought we’re not doing tours. – Trustee Mela ooh-loo was
asking if they requested it. So, I mean, that’s– – As long as we disclose
to them that look, the confidential, kind of
confidentiality piece may be out the door, and you know, are you going to be okay with it? Just saying, as far as liabilities concern – Well, when they show up
at the candidate forum, it’s public. That’s for certain. I thought maybe the concern
was that candidates would see each other on campus or
something, but they’d be here at different times doing their tours. So, while there is a remote possibility they could run into each other,
probably highly unlikely. So, if they do request a tour, I would think we would want to – The 24th would be the day – To provide for that, yes. That would be a good day. – Okay, that was it. Thank you. – Okay, everybody okay? Alright, we’re gonna move on. – [Rose] Thank you. – Journalism students, you
still have a half an hour. Consent agenda. (coughs) excuse me. Any item may be removed
from the consent agenda and considered separately. – So, I have couple of items. I would like to pull a
couple of items out of 5.8, one item out of 5.9, and
one item out of 5.17. – [President Baxter] Okay. Trustee Zia? – [Zia] I wanted to move to
approve the rest of the agenda with the exception of those items. – [President Baxter] Okay, anybody else? – Becky, Jackie said hold on. (murmuring) – Okay but, trustee
Otto, you seconded that. – Yes, I do. – Okay.