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International today. – Music has power,
positively or negatively, whether the artist performing
that music even recognizes it. That’s because music is spiritual. In fact it opens the
door to the supernatural. David demonstrated that when
he played his harp for Saul and he wrote about it in the Psalms. But how much more is there
that we don’t even realize? Music has far more power
than we dare to imagine and tonight you will learn about it from former Christian punk star turned worship leader, Allan Aguirre. Because it’s the end of the
sixth day, the Sun is set and this is Shabbat Night Live. (dramatic music) (upbeat music) – As they take this
message out in the world… – Shabbat shalom Torah fans. Welcome to Shabbat Night
Live with Michael Rood. I tell you, I am excited for this one. Tonight we welcome back a very special friend
of mine, Allan Aguirre. Allan is like, how would I put him? A modern-day John the Immerser. He doesn’t look like other people, he doesn’t talk like other
people but he is chosen by the Almighty to deliver
a very special message that not everyone has either. Everyone has a style of music they like but that’s not what we’re
talking about tonight. Tonight we start a new series
with Allan called Musicianary. It’s all about the
spiritual power of music. If you love any style of music, you’re gonna want to pay close attention to this series tonight, it’s monumental. It’s a monumental
anniversary tonight as well on the astronomically and agriculturally corrected Biblical Hebrew calendar. You see, tonight, well
the feeding of the 5,000 happened exactly on this
day, on the Shabbat. Exactly 1992 years ago. And what makes it so
special is that it happens to be the only miracle Yeshua performed that is recorded in all
four gospel records. Well the reason that that is important is because we can use
it as a marker in time to figure out the timing
of every other event in the entire gospel record. And when you do that
something amazing happens, all of a sudden Yeshua’s birth, death, burial, resurrection all line up with exact days of the feasts of the Lord in the Old Testament. It proves that Yeshua
literally is the living Torah. And not only that but
other things Yeshua did make a lot more sense when you understand what was going on in the
ancient Israeli culture on those particular days
that he said certain things. And the only reason we
know these things today is because of you. You have stood with this
ministry with your pocketbook so that Michael Rood could
figure out the timeline of Yeshua’s ministry using
the feeding of the 5,000. And now there’s even more
exciting news on that horizon again only because of you. So let’s talk about that with the founder of A Rood Awakening
International, Michael Rood. – Thank you Scott, it’s
great to be with you. And on the calendar date
yes, it was on Shabbat but that particular year
it was on a Thursday and the leading up to Shabbat and at the close of Shabbat that day, that is when the Day of Trumpets, the first ever the new
moon appeared at that time. But this is the only miracle recorded by all four gospel authors. The feeding of the 5,000
giving us the moment in time in which all four Gospels can
be synchronized precisely. Not a day is missing, there’s not a week that is in question. We understand all this now. But of course there was an addition, that in the fourth century and afterward that Gentiles added in
a Passover at John 6:4 when John chapter 7 is Tabernacles– – [Scott] Yeah, it doesn’t line up. – No, no, it doesn’t add up at all. But they added to that and
it completely destroyed any possibility of understanding the chronology of the Gospels. And of course, Yeshua is required, according to the book of Exodus, he is required to go up three times a year to the Feast of the Lord,
absolutely required. And so when you start messing with that you’ve done exactly what Yeshua said, you’ve subtracted from the Word of God and your name will be subtracted
from the book of life. If you’ve added in a Passover in order to substantiate
your particular viewpoint and that’s what Eusebius did, then under him are added the plagues written in the book of Revelation. This is serious business and this is what
Christianity or churchianity has inherited from Rome. This is absolute heresy and
it needs to be clarified and that’s why, I just got back from China as we were back with you last week. And I signed more of the
Mystery of iniquity in Chinese than I ever have in English. And this is something that, there’s no money that
is being made on this. This is all ministry to these people and they are clamoring for the truth. And every day I was standing, I was standing for 13
hours a day teaching for on each weekend 16 hours. Every time I showed up I was
teaching for 16 hours straight with Paul Hsieh, Paul was my
translator in Mandarin Chinese. I’m not as good in Mandarin
as I look like on television, but Paul stood in there with
me and we communicated things. I had to tell this group of pastors, I said I was able to teach things that I’ve been attempting
to teach for over 20 years in America but it’s falling on deaf ears for the most part. People are just so full of religion, they’ve got a social gospel, they don’t really care
anything about the Bible. Of course that has changed with what we’re putting on the air that the people are really getting the gospel of the kingdom, that’s what this ministry is all about. To teach what Yeshua taught. He said make disciples and
teach them what I taught you. But who’s doing that? What churches are teaching
what Yeshua taught? They’re telling a sweet baby Jesus story, they’re doing this cycle babble
mixing a verse or two in. But who’s really teaching
what Yeshua’s message was and that is what our goal
is and that is why things are turning upside down
in Taiwan, in China and all these pastors coming from China into Taiwan to hear this message. And I’ll tell you, it was exhausting. I’ve had a couple of weeks to recuperate and I’m still on the mend from that. But it’s worth it. It really is worth it. We only have one life to
give and one life to spend and I feel that when I do these things, that I’m making a bigger
impact for the kingdom and I have an opportunity
to gain some eternal rewards by doing that. – And so do those who
make it happen right? I mean even if it’s falling on
deaf ears for the most part , we have people who listen to this ministry and they support what we’re doing here. They take you to China with their funds and this is how it happens. – Absolutely, and they are
providing our ability to get out, to do the translations and get
out to these other languages. And I’m not saying that it’s our people, the people watching this program, I’m saying that the religious
system for the most part in America is dead. It is so dead. I get over there to these other countries and I see that there’s a
vitality, there’s a hunger to where they’re sitting, they’re not sitting for an
hour and then getting up and going their way. They’re sitting there for 13 hours a day just eating this stuff up because they know they’ve
never been taught this stuff. They’ve just been given a surface gospel and never taught the Bible. From Genesis 1:1 to Revelation
22:21, it is one story and once we get that story and we get things in chronological order, we have cause and effect and
people’s lives are changed. And thankfully we have people
that are standing with us and I think all of you out there who have stood with us
and continue to do so. Because it’s not just for
us, it is for the world. Yeshua said get the gospel of
the kingdom out to the world. This is what he wants done
and if we do what he says then we will reign as
priests and kings with him for a thousand years,
that is what our hope is. After the resurrection,
they’re gathering together in the sea of fire Glaus,
we return with Yeshua. These things are not even being taught in our Hallmark Channel, Christianity. It’s like everyone dies,
goes to heaven, smokes cigars sits on a cloud with a
harp and just nonsense. Absolute nonsense but I got to teach the Revelation series, 16 hours on that. I got to teach the gospel of the kingdom and we’re gonna do this, I’ve
got to do this in English. I have to do that for our
people here in America and then they can take that
and turn into Chinese, Russian or whatever they want. But I am so on fire, I want
to get this thing done. – Awesome, well we will continue to, thank you for doing it
Michael, appreciate it. And thank you for making it happen. All right, well coming up, the first episode of
Musicianary with Allen Aguirre. I guarantee this series is
going to kill some sacred cows and open your eyes as to what the Almighty can do with music, even
secular music, yes. You’re going to see some amazing ways that the purposes of the Almighty are fulfilled through music,
and maybe not the kind of music you might think. This is very eye-opening and I trust that you will open your heart to hear it because you’ll never listen
to music the same way again. And your gifts to this mystery
are what make that possible. It sends Michael to
China, it makes him able to do things here as well. And in fact someone
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inherited from Babylon through Constantine have us occasionally, with a little plastic cup
and a little round wafer in a church service having
what is called communion. But Yeshua was not having
communion with his disciples, it was the last meal
before his crucifixion which happened at the
time the Passover lambs were being sacrificed
the following morning. Yeshua took this opportunity
to explain something that had been embedded
in the Israelite culture for then over 1,000 years. Melchizedek brought forth
bread and wine to Avraham and he blessed the most high saying (speaking foreign language). Blessed are you Yahuveh, our
Elohim, King of the universe who brings forth bread from the earth. Yeshua said this represents my body which will be broken for
you, as often as you do it, you do it in remembrance of me. And so we break this bread and we do it in remembrance of him. Likewise Yeshua took the cup and he blessed the most
high with that blessing that Melchizedek blessed the most high. (speaking foreign language) Blessed are you Yahuveh, our Elohim, the King of the universe, the Creator of the fruit of the vine. Yeshua said this represents my shed blood which will be poured out
for the remission of sin. I will not drink another drop
of the fruit of the vine. You take my cup and
divide it among yourselves because I won’t drink it until
I drink it again with you in my father’s Kingdom. In the marriage supper of the Lamb, Yeshua will lift this
cup and he will say Lahai to life everlasting and until then we remember what he’s done and remember that marriage supper
of the Lamb, get ready. (guitar music) – Never judge a book by
its cover, you know that. If you’ve ever watched this
show you know that to be true. In his teaching, Michael Rood
will often dress the part of what is assumed to
be a Levitical priest from the Old Testament. And even that assumption
is a prejudiced conclusion. See, the fact is Michael’s wardrobe is not that of a Levitical priest at all but the biblical description
of what Mordecai wore in the story of Esther. For those unwilling to
open their minds however, they immediately judge Michael’s clothing and do not listen to the
important teaching he has to say. The reality is he is no
different than a storyteller you might encounter at
a Renaissance Festival or a historical theme park. They dress the part to draw
you into the time period in which their story takes place. They do this to give you
an emergent into the story. The result of course
is much more memorable and an impactful message. Sometimes you need to break the mold and slay a few sacred cows
to get the point across is what I’m saying, which
Michael does fabulously. And we’re gonna do that too
for the next few weeks here on Shabbat Night Live. We’re gonna talk about music and maybe not in the way you might think. We are not going to
talk about gospel music, we’re not even going to talk about Christian music necessarily. But we are going to talk about
the power of music overall, positively or negatively, whether the artist performing
the music even recognizes it. Whether you listen to
the Gaither Brothers, something a little more
modern like the worship songs from Paul Wilbur, Hillsong
or Elevation Church. Maybe you listen to Christian artists that your kids have
gotten into like I have. TobyMac, Andy Mineo,
Lecrae, Skillet, Crowder or maybe you are a rocker from way back who used to listen to Striper or Petra. You might be surprised to
learn over the next few weeks that even songs from bands
who are not Christian like U2, maybe Johnny Cash, Bob Dylan
or even the hard rockers of recent years, Korn, can have a positive very
powerful spiritual vibe to the music given to them
directly by the Almighty even if they or their audiences
don’t even recognize it. One thing is for sure,
music, whatever it is is deeply more spiritual than we dare to think or appreciate. And that is exactly why our guest today wrote his book, “This
Thing is a Spiritual”. Please welcome back to Shabbat Night Live, author, musician and wildly passionate friend of the Almighty, Allan Aguirre. Welcome Allan.
– How are you, Scott? Good, good, it’s been a
while since we last talked. Last time you were here we
did the Feasts for Christians. This was something you did
just to lay out the feasts just in a real basic layman’s terms. And I think a lot of
people appreciated it. And we even mentioned some
musical things in here. We mentioned Korn, a friend of yours. Isn’t the lead singer Sonny? – Sonny’s the singer for P.O.D. – Okay, for P.O.D, I’m sorry yes. – Brian is the guitarist for Korn. – Now just to give people an idea. So Korn is this heavy metal
band I guess you could call ’em. Been around for many years. My little brother-in-law
listens to them a lot or used to listen to them a lot. And nowadays when you
go to their concerts, something wild happens
before the concert, tell us- – Yeah, for the last few years, they’ve been praying for people. Brian and the bass player, Philly, they’ve been praying for people, laying hands on them
and praying for healing and salvation before and
after the Korn concerts. – Hmm, now their music is not Christian, let’s be clear about that. – Yeah, no. – No, yeah but a couple
of guys in the band have found Yeshua. – Right, yeah and so that’s
what they’ve been doing. It’s kind of revolutionary. – Didn’t they even have
a camp or something that kids go to in the summer? – Not that I know of. – Or Sonny is doing something. – Well, Sonny the singer for P.O.D, is part of a movement
called the Whosoevers. We were a part of them in
the 2009, ’10, ’11, ’12. Brian Welch from Korn was part
of the Whosoevers as well. But Ryan, who’s pretty much
leading the charge, Ryan Reese. He’s (mumbles) Reese’s
pastor, his son, Ryan. He’s doing these incredible outreaches in the public school systems in California where they’re having these rallies, and they just did a whole
bunch a few weeks in Mexico last couple of months. Just doing great work and just, they have a lot of favor
with the school systems and they’re just bringing the gospel to these kids in schools. – Love it, and I love that
that’s what they’re doing, bringing gospel to kids. I know you probably would
never say this but I will, you’re a forerunner in that. Because back in the early 80s, I mean when is this
jacket from by the way? We’re dressed like this for a reason because we don’t want you to
judge a book by its cover. And we’re doing this purposefully so when is this jacket from? – Probably from the mid-90s. So it’s least 20 plus years old. I have another one that– – Yeah, we’re gonna wear
them over the series. – That’s actually from 1983. Yeah, it’s an old one. So yes, we’re wearing these, this is my punk rock leather jacket. It’s legitimate. The couple that’s on the cover of my book, Robert and Edie Goodwin,
he did the stud work and she did the painting on it. So it’s got a mural in
the back and she did the, this is one of my logos from ’94. This is a logo of mine from,
that I’ve had since the 80s. It’s also tattooed on my arm and this is keep your hand off
my collar punk spike up here. But this, I would wear
this going out to clubs, on stage as well. – Now literally I mean let’s
get back to the beginning here. So you started in punk
music, now David Bowie when you were what, a tween. – 12, I was 12 years old
when I discovered Bowie. It was a supernatural thing, not necessarily a good supernatural thing but it definitely was. So because I got into David
Bowie at that early of an age, that opened up my horizons
to any and all forms of music that would be considered alternative or to the left of center. Whether it’s punk rock, new
wave, any sort of alternative because I was listening
to alternative music before the term alternative. It was designated alternative by radio. It was an alternative to
traditional top 40 normal radio. And the retro ’80 stuff,
Ska, first wave Ska and then eventually post-punk which would be also
called death rock in LA, known as goth but that’s not really what we’re talking about. That’s not the music that I listen to but it was called post-punk. – But you were a young kid, I mean– – Yeah, I was young. – You’re like a 13-year-old kid, you want to be like David Bowie or do something like David
Bowie so you start a band. – Yeah, so by the time I
was 14 I was into punk, I realized I was a punk rocker simply because I saw a magazine
cover London about punk rock and they were wearing the same clothes I was literally wearing. So I was known as the Bowie freak. So now oh, I must be a punk rocker ’cause I look like these guys. – Right, ’cause all those guys, all the punk rockers, all those guys, Siouxsie and the Banshees,
the post-punk, all those, they were all heavily
heavily heavily influenced by Bowie, Glam, T-Rex, New York Dolls, things of that nature. So they were doing what they were doing to their hair because of Bowie. They were wearing the
makeup they were wearing because of Bowie and they
accentuated obviously with the safety pins and
the studs and the spikes. – So did you go to school with paint on? How far did you go when you were 13? – It’s called makeup.
– Makeup, I’m sorry. (both laugh) I did.
– With the makeup. Yeah, so when I was 13, 14 years old, the Bowie song Rebel Rebel has that line, your mother’s not sure if
you’re a boy or a girl. It was that whole androgynous thing. I mean I was a heterosexual but you’re wearing full face makeup and you’re wearing clothes a
boy normally wouldn’t wear. I was an artist. I acted, I sang in bands, I was that guy. And because I came from the Bowie camp I did what everybody else was doing on that side of the world, that the mainstream
wouldn’t find out about for another five, 10 plus years. – I mean this was ’83, right? – No, this is like 1978, ’79, ’80. So I mean like nowadays, you’ll see traditional normal people with purple and blue hair
that were never punk. Nose rings, even lip rings, tongue rings. That’s all mainstream society today. I mean you will hear Ramone
songs in mainstream movies. That wasn’t the case back in ’77 ’78 ’80. The only people that were
dying their hair blue or purple or whatever and had any sort
of piercings were punk rockers. – Right, and mainly from the UK. – Right, yeah, it came from the UK. It got to New York by ’76, ’77. See, that’s even up for debate. I mean the Ramones were playing
in New York from New York in late ’74 and they’re a punk rock band. That’s like a year and a
half before the Sex Pistols. The Buzzcocks from
England were in New York in the fall of ’75. – Now the reason I say
that you’re a precursor to what Korn is now doing
with praying for kids and that kind of stuff
at a secular concert which is mind blowing,
just awesome I think. – Yeah, it’s phenomenal. – I think it’s great
because you set the stage for that really no pun intended, (laughs) with Scaterd Few, your band
that started in what year? – So I started a Christian
punk rock band in 1983. – That was the first one in the US, right? – That’s what they say. – It’s logged as such, it’s documented. So we started a punk rock band
in ’83, I was 19 years old. Actually it was a ministry to the homeless youth of Hollywood. – [Scott] That’s what I’m getting at, you actually did something
with your talents. – Yeah, and so we did an outreach for the homeless youth
in Hollywood Boulevard. A lot of them were our age, my age group. We would bring them toothpaste,
toothbrushes, toilet paper, basic stuff like that. And then a singer for a
secular band called Circle One at that time, in a LA
punk rock band got saved. And he was running around
with a guy that had, his family had an old
wig Factory in Hollywood. So they started congregating there. So now we had a place
we could bring blankets, sleeping bags, food,
canned goods for them. Now we had a place to
bring it over from Burbank to give to these young
street punks of Hollywood. So we thought this could
even have even more impact if we had a band to front it. And so we started this
band called Scaterd Few. We wanted to do a Christian
band that had positive biblical, at least a positive message. The only band that existed that had any sort of positive lyrical content was a band from Washington DC, the greatest punk rock band in
the US called the Bad Brains. But they were Rastafarians. So let’s do a band that’s Christian with the same type of positive message, so we started that band. – That is so awesome, I love that. And how long did you do this for? – We did that for about a year and a half. I was demonized for trying to
introduce this style of music into Christian rock. – Yeah, this is what year? – ’83, so the only thing that existed was what was happening in Orange County from ’80 ’81 ’82 which was
kind of like Bebop new wave. I mean I’m not gonna name my friends and I’ve had this conversation ’cause I know all those bands. I’ve known them all personally
since way back then. It wasn’t punk-rock. They were never punks,
the music wasn’t punk rock but the Christians were
being told that it was because they wouldn’t know any better, ’cause none of them are punks. And they weren’t involved
in the punk scene. We were in over our head with
the punk scene in Hollywood. It was difficult when these young punk rock kids were being given this music because when they heard
it, it’s gonna backfire, ’cause oh this is Christian and they don’t even
know what punk rock is. So that made our job a little harder because what we were doing
was actually punk rock. It was up to par with what our secular contemporaries were doing. And we had the reputation,
Scott, if we had the reputation of being able to be played to
their non-christian friends without having to apologize
for it ahead of time ’cause that’s the standard, that was the standard for the most part up till just recently. It was like here, check
this out, this is amazing, oh yeah and by the way
they’re Christian, no way. because Christianity
didn’t then equate to good standard of music, of art unfortunately. – So now we’re gonna fast-forward through a little bit of time here. Then we’re gonna come back
in our later episodes, we’re gonna go into more detail but, so after Scaterd Few, then you had a band called Spyglass Blue. What was that all about? – So after that year and
a half of Scaterd Few, I went 100% to the secular market with a band called Signei
which was a dark wave band. Spy glass Blue is
basically Signei revised. And so I came out with
Spy Glass Blue in 1995 and it was like my artier side. It was kind of edgy new wave,
post-punk type of thing. And it was also considered
the most authentic of that genre in Christendom. So I’m in the Encyclopedia
of Christian Rock twice with both bands because
of their authenticity. So it was a very Bowie inspired,
Love and Rockets inspired. It’s modern rock and that
was called Spy Glass Blue and very melodic, very cool stuff. – Very cool, now between
that time and now, between Spy Glass Blue and now, I mean now you’re doing something called Men As Trees walking. – Right, so around 2008, we
started a prophetic worship band called Men As Trees walking. And we did that for four years straight, we were on the road six,
eight months out of the year. Full 100% ministry, and
the Keith Greene model of the consumer could pay whatever they wanted for the album, the
CD even if that meant nothing ’cause Greene did that
with one of his albums on ’81 or something like that. – Now you say we, this is your family now. This is like what, a– – That was a bit of a
stretch psychologically ’cause it’s like how embarrassing is that? I’m doing this prophetic
worship band with my family, we’re like the Christian Partridge family. It was really, but yeah, I had all three grown children
of mine were in the band and a spouse and then
another married couple. It was an eight-piece band
and it had to be that big in order to do over, it
was like a Middle Eastern tribal healing and easy-listening. And for those of you that might think David Bowie Love and Rockets on top of a bed of Dead Can Dance. That’s what basically
essentially what it was. Very melodic. – The song you’re gonna sing, we’re gonna feature a song, it’s only gonna be available on the DVD. It’s not gonna be on the show. We’re going to save it for later. I know you’re gonna be performing right here on this stage here, and is that one of the songs
for Ministry’s Walking? – Yes, it’s on the, we put
out a full-length and two EPs. This is on the full-length called 1518 and it’s called Listen With
Me and it’s on the album. That album came out in 2010. – Wow, so now you’ve
been at this for a while. I mean we’ve gone through
a lot of time here in a very short period of minutes here. So from ’83 to now. So you’ve seen a lot in music. Now you mentioned that
okay, before if someone said oh will they have a punk
band and it’s Christian, okay, deal-breaker.
– Yeah. But somehow U2, when
they released October, they had it under, so
it was a secular album but marketed under the Christian– – No, okay, so the first two U2 albums were like definitely Christian, ’cause they were Christian guys. I mean they still consider
themselves Christians obviously but there was a different type of, I mean they were hanging out
with a lot of YWAM type of so they were influenced by
that and they’re in Ireland. So when their second
album October came out, it came out on Island
Records, a secular label but it was marketed as a Christian record which is how we found out
about it way back then in ’81 ’cause we were plugged into a lot of Christian fanzines and magazines. It was pre-internet. We heard about this band called U2. ‘Cause I wasn’t living in the States, I was in Guatemala so we were
getting limited information. And it was a band,
Christian band named U2, this album is called October and it holds, those two first albums really
hold a very special place in my Christian upbringing. – Do you think, let me ask
you a question about that. So we’re talking about
U2, a secular group– – Biggest band in the world. – Yeah, still. – Whatever you think about U2, I was watching the Elevation DVD, this is for a few years back
and the Holy Spirit drops man, a couple times on that DVD. – Well, you listen to
even songs from way back in the Joshua Tree days when I first kind of got introduced to U2. – That was produced by Brian Eno. – Yeah, and so songs like
Where The Streets Have No Name, I mean where do you think that is? I still haven’t found
what I’m looking for. – There’s a book about, called that. – I didn’t know that. – It’s kind of like the
spiritual journey of U2. – Really? – Came out on the old relevant book– – Okay, so this is
things we don’t recognize about secular bands. We’ve already talked about what happens with Korn backstage, with U2. You mentioned Love and
Rockets, what’s up with them? – So Love and Rockets are
the three original members of the four-piece band Bauhaus which is basically the architects of what people call goth, post-punk. So when Bauhaus came out, the only audience they
had were punk rockers but these guys were
doing a lot of theatrics, the vampire, the dark,
the white face makeup. Again every single one of those guys are absolute Bowiephiles, Bowie-nuts. I mean the bass player’s
stage name is even an old Bowie alias,
pseudonym David J, yeah. For David Jones. So again it’s all part of the history. So three of the guys from Bauhaus, the guitarist and the drummer left, when Bauhaus broke up, they left and did a band
with the Bauhaus roadie on base called Tones on Tell. And they had a song called Christian Says and again these people have
been exposed to Christianity, but a lot of them have, they have a very difficult time with the exclusivity of Jesus, of Yeshua as being the doorway, the gatekeeper. So that kind of freaks
a lot of people out. So there are times,
and so then after that, after Tones on Tell because
that was short-lived, they reunited with the bass
player from Bauhaus, David J which is also the drummer’s brother. And they came up with a band
called Love and Rockets. Amazing band. And there are moments in their music ’cause there’s a lot 12-string
acoustic guitar going on, just really ambient, very
Pink Floyd-ish, psychedelic. That it’s incredibly
spiritual, worshipful even. – [Scott] On the positive side of things? – Not that that’s what they’re doing. I mean you gotta remember, God
doesn’t repent of the gifts that he gives man, they’re there– – He could make a donkey speak, yeah. – Right, so just whether or
not you’re serving the Lord, you have gifts that are in
your DNA, spiritual DNA. Whether you ever serve him or not, that he doesn’t repent of. And when it comes to art and artists, there’s a spiritual element to their life which is why they’re artists
and so a lot of times, that’ll, just kind of like
to take a little sneak peek, a little oh, just a
little spike comes out. – The art is there for a reason, maybe they don’t even realize why. – Right. – Okay, so music is very spiritual. We’re gonna get into that
more in just a second. So we’re talking with
Allan Aguirre about music and we’re gonna get really
deep into what music is, what happened to church music, that’s what we want to get into because of these secular
bands are playing things that are now considered spiritual, what’s happening on the
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Musicianary with Allan Aguirre. Allan, before the break
we were talking about is it possible for secular bands to have a Christian band to them even if they don’t realize it, and
I think we came up with yes because music is spiritual, right? – Right, well it’s discernment. In the same way you have to
discern the Spirit of God, you have to be able to discern
the non-Spirit of God, right? Evil spirits or unclean spirits. And there are times where I’m
listening to a secular band or a secular song and it’s like (gasps) ’cause there’s that
tinge, that little spike. I remember when I first moved to Dallas, we went to the Dallas,
the fair that they have and it’s a huge, I mean apparently it’s like a huge deal. So we were there at the
State Fair and I was walking, they have a lot of live
artists all over the place and I was walking with my family, I had just moved there
and I heard this music coming out of this venue. It was like Holy Spirit
all over the place. So I’m like oh, let’s go in there. So we went in and we sat down, we watched this guy play
and it was just waves of Holy Spirit over and over him. I’m like oh my God, I really
hope this guy is a Christian. I had no idea who he was, ’cause the presence of the
Holy Spirit was so powerful and it just kept coming in waves. – [Scott] Now was it in
their lyrics or just– – The music. – The spirit behind the
music, interesting, okay. – ‘Cause the power is in
the music in my opinion. I mean we have a biblical
proof text for that. Elijah the prophet calls
on a harpist to play to, as an oracle to get a
word from the Holy Spirit. Music has been used in the
Bible many times as an oracle to connect with the Holy Spirit. – With no lyric to a song necessarily. – It’s the music, right. So this guy’s playing
and the waves and waves of the Holy Spirit, so
afterward I went up to the guy, I go hey, introduced myself and I asked him have you
ever heard of Phil Keaggy? Phil Keaggy is a marker of amazing holy spirit Christian music,
I mean Phil Keaggy is amazing. And he goes yeah I know Phil, I just came back from Nashville,
I did some work with him. I’m like you’re a
Christian, he’s like yeah and I’m like (sighs). I had no idea who this was. – [Scott] I felt the
right spirit, didn’t I? – Yeah, it was all this Holy Spirit and the guy’s a believer and yeah, he’s passed now, he’s dead but man, so you have that, so in that
same way with that discernment, I have heard the Spirit
of God even though, even if it might just be
two or three, four bars, they tapped into something
at that exact moment and it’s anointed. And I know that’s a
controversial thing to say about a non-christian
band but like you said, he’ll even make an ass speak. – Well yeah, and that’s
what we’re finding, like you’re saying it is not– – God can do whatever he wants. – Yeah, who are we to
put him in a box, right? – I don’t want to. – No, bad things can happen. – So even if there’s
no lyrics, so now okay, now here’s the flip side. So if that same band, you’re feeling the spirit
behind their music, what happens if the lyrics they’re singing are just quote-unquote,
sex, drugs, rock and roll? What do you do with that? – I’ve never seen that. – You’ve never seen those two together? – Yeah, I’ve never musically discerned a spike in the spirit
with a profane lyric. There’s a song by Muse that
my hands want to do this when a certain part comes on and the words are sing for
absolution, I will be singing and it’s like (gasps). But he’s saying the right stuff, right? – Do you think sometimes
lyrics come to these artists and they don’t even know
why they’re writing it but they go yeah, that sounds cool, I don’t even understand, I’m
just gonna write it down. – I think so, because I
mean there’s Bowie lyrics that are actual, I know for a fact there’s two Bowie songs there
are actual literal prayers he was praying to God in
certain times in his life. One was when he was involved
with a lot of witchcraft in Los Angeles and a lot of cocaine abuse. And there’s a prayer,
he’s literally praying, he’s literally saying… He was praying to God. Another one is a song
that’s on station station, another song is off the Heathen album and everyone’s confused,
but it says Heathens, is the name of the album,
yeah, but the word’s inverted and he even said that the
reason why the photographs, the eyes in photo on
that cover are glazed out is to represent fish to
represent Christianity. There’s this tug-of-war thing going on but in this song it’s a
literal prayer and he says, if you would just reveal yourself to me, I would be your slave. And he even quotes, you
know that footprints poem, – [Scott] Footprints in the
sand where I carried you when you, yeah, yeah. – And he says no footprints in the sand. I mean it’s obvious what he’s doing here. And then the last album
he made before he died and he knows he’s dying, there’s an actual conversation with God on the song Black Star which
Black Star alone means death, for somehow we didn’t recognize that until after he died
like three days later. And Elvis had a song
called Black Star in ’56. That’s a rare single and it’s
all about he’s gonna die. But there’s this conversation
where God tells him I can’t tell you how, just go with me, I’m the great I Am,
you’re a flash on the pan. Now when I first heard
that I heard the narrative in the reverse and I, why is he being so, this is
so demonic what he just said. That he’s calling himself the great I Am. Again we were like kind of like, it was in hidden in full sight. And then after he died it was like oh no, that’s God telling him I’m the great I Am and you’re a flash in the pan. Here’s a scary thing. So I got to pre-release, so the night before the album was released and it was released 48 hours
before he actually passed, I was listening to the record. I was doing what I’ve been
doing since I was 12 years old, new Bowie record, I’m like
getting in, dissecting it. And halfway through I paused it and I said I think he knows he’s going to die. ‘Cause you can just discern that. – You know what’s funny about that, seemed a very similar story with AC/DC, very non-christian band. And the original singer, they
recorded Highway To Hell, a very famous highway to hell song. Apparently as soon as
they left the studio, that is when he got,
went out and got so drunk that he choked on his own
vomit and died that very night, after recording that song. So there’s a spiritual power to music, positive and very very negative as well. – Absolutely. – Yeah, now my son, now
he’s very musical as well and he wanted to put up this one lyric on the bathroom that he has
and I was kind of hesitant because it was from
Tupac Shakur, the rapper. And I thought well he’s
not exactly good influence but he says no dad, look
at the lyrics and like you he recognized no, Tupac is
searching for something here and he wrote it out, it’s something to the effect of when I had nobody no one would
stand up for me except God, when I was destitute no one
was my friend except God. And so there’s something there. We can’t discount it like you said. God can use anybody or anything
to get his word across. – I mean most of our listening
audience or viewing audience have no problem with
what we’re talking about regarding Joe Blow the Plumber. God made himself known to
him before he got saved. Well yeah, God does that
with entertainers too. – Yeah, that’s just human. Speaking of, we touched on your beginning of your music career and I wanna go back and delve in a little bit because there’s an
interesting story there. So you were starting music, we talked about when
you were 14 years old. This was a non-christian thing, maybe not even spirit
influenced at that point, you tell me. – Well, I mean I was
involved with spirituality which is why I, again it’s part of my DNA but there was there was
spiritual spikes in my life before I got saved that
I know now were God. I was into pyramid power and goofy stuff. It’s the mid 70s and I’m a
kid, I was into spiritualism. I knew there was a God,
I knew there was a Jesus, I believe I was saved. I don’t hurt people, I’m a good guy, I have a relationship
with this, God thing. There’s this great meme
that I love and it’s like yeah, I’m spiritual, well
yeah, so is the devil, you need to be more specific. – Even the devil believes in Yeshua. – Yeah, I mean it’s true. – I remember, Thunder
Odyssey was this name I used I think for a song once
when I was like 12 or 13. So yeah, I was aware of spirituality. – Now regardless–
– But regardless. The music you created was rocketing, it was getting real popular and your parents were getting real scared. – A buddy of mine started a
punk rock band, we’re both 15 and unknown established
famous punk rock guy joined up with us, did a couple of songs. And back in those days, a very famous DJ that’s worked with
everybody, Elvis, Bowie, I mean this guy’s huge,
Rodney Bingenheimer. He was a DJ on K-rock
and back in those days, you walk in your music to him and if he liked it and he played it, if it had his stamp of
approval, you were golden. – [Scott] This is LA? – In LA, yeah. So the fact that this
guy that was in our band was already an established… So spiritually and the
fact that my parents did what they did. So my parents they were like whoa, we can’t really let this happen, I was kind of out of control. This was only gonna throw it over the top. So they sent me to go live
with a missionary uncle in Central America, Guatemala
under false pretenses and a one-way ticket. – Wait a second, your own parents– – My own parents. – Gave you a one-way
ticket to Guatemala City and said oh you’ll be back
soon, trust us, really? – I knew it was all a farce, I mean I did but I also knew I had
to get on that plane. This is the best, this is how they knew
how to manage me, yeah. And I don’t resent them for it at all. – [Scott] This was how they showed you, they didn’t know what else to do. – They had no idea what to do, right. And I have a great relationship with, my parents have come to
Torah just in the last two to three years without my involvement. – [Scott] Without your
involvement, they listened– – Three years ago, they
were at our house in Utah because of our (mumbles), our
youngest grandson was born. And my mom wasn’t feeling good so I asked can I pray for you? They said yeah. So my dad’s covering my mom and, they don’t know about this stuff. My dad’s covering my mom,
I’m praying for my mom and in the middle of
this prayer I looked up and I saw this and I started weeping ’cause it was like father, look and see what is happening here. This is something I could never in my wildest imagination ever
see happening with my parents and they’ve come to Torah since then, it’s just mind blowing. – I’m curious, just as a side note, how did your dad come to Torah? – He started reading this book
about when Jesus comes back, he’s coming back as a
high priest, a rabbi, I don’t even know the name of the book but it was like this is
what it’s gonna look like when he comes back and it
has to do with the temple and Jesus is a Jew and he’s
a rabbi and all this stuff. And he’s like yes, this
is true, this is true. And my daughter, my oldest
daughter visited them and found out he was reading, she’s like did you know grandpa, I’m like no, I have no idea. She’s like I started
talking to him about it ’cause my daughter observes and she’s like they’re actually
thinking about the Sabbath and the feasts and I’m like how did this happen?
– That’s amazing. It’s amazing, it’s absolutely amazing. – So back to your story,
now how did this happen? That brings you to our
next point ironically is when you’re in Guatemala
City with your uncle, right? – My mother’s brother, yes. – Your mother’s brother,
so there’s a day there where a miraculous day,
January 23rd, a Wednesday I believe you said, 1980, what happened? – So I show up in Guatemala on
a Sunday night and it’s dark. I remember looking out the car window going what have I done? Because this is incredibly
foreign, it’s a third-world. I’ve never been in a third world. – [Scott] Is anybody speaking Spanish? – Yeah, my family but I’m just in the back of the car looking out the window going
oh my gosh, it was dark, maybe even a little rainy. I was obviously not in Los Angeles. And so that was a Sunday night. On Wednesday I was taken
to, I was being enrolled into a private school for
American missionary kids that my cousin went to. And so on Wednesday morning,
the 23rd of January, I met my first, the guy that
would be my first mentor when it came to worship music. – [Scott] Who was he? – He was the music director at the school but he was also the worship
leader at my uncle’s church. So I met him as a music teacher. – So not a famous guy.
– Oh, no, no. Just a mentor and a good guy. – He would become my first mentor when it came to worship music. – Brilliant musician, I mean
this guy had skills I… So I would meet him in the morning, I would meet my future wife
and present wife by lunchtime and after dinner I met Jesus. (Scott laughs) Quite the day. – So this is your wife Kristina. There is a very cute photo of you two. I don’t know how you guys got this photo of the two of you back when
you were 14, 15 years old, something like that. We’ll put it up for people to see here. But anyway, so yeah,
so you’re meeting her. – She ends up living around the block from where I was living, yeah. – Really? – Yeah, people say that I’d go over there and serenade her with
my guitar, allegedly. – Was she in relation to
anybody at the church there? – No, so her parents went
to a different church than my uncle’s church but
we went to the same school. – [Scott] Oh, I got you. – This is private school for
American missionary kids. – [Scott] Oh, for all missionary kids and because this was your
uncle you went there. – Yeah, ’cause my cousin went there. – So you’re not a Christian
when you’d go down there. You’re just this punk kid your parents didn’t know what to do with and said let your uncle fix it. – Yeah, so you can imagine
my going-away party, the weekend before I showed,
24 hours before I got on that plane it was
whatever you can imagine, that’s what I was doing. And so now I’m gonna be
going into this school, and so they were so
terrified of this influence on their kids, right? It’s maybe a hundred
kids in the entire school from K to 12th grade. I went to a school with
thousands of people, celebrity kids and all
that stuff in Burbank. So there was a bungalow that was separate from the main building
where all the junior high and high schoolers were. They would not allow me in there ’cause they were afraid of
the influence I might have on them and the disruption so
let’s do the next best thing. Let’s sit him with the second graders ’cause they’ll be able to ward me off. – [Scott] And there won’t be
any influence there at all. – Explain that reasoning to me. – [Scott] So are you wearing
still the makeup down there? – I remember Wednesday morning, I got dressed to go to school, my uncle looked at me and he goes, uh-uh, go comb your hair ’cause spikes. Go comb your hair and change those clothes and I’m like no one tells me, no one does that, no one tells me that. And he just looked at me I’m like, I’m not gonna win this one. – Was your uncle a big guy? – No, he was an apostolic leader, dude. This guy looked right through you. So (mumbles) I don’t
know what I was wearing but I had to change. I went to the school
and I was like an alien, I was like this creature
from another planet, and we’re talking conservative wasp kids. It was a total culture shock. I had no Christian reference experience. – [Scott] Go ahead. – So here’s the thing. So they sat me with the second graders and so everybody knew about this, and my cousin’s really uncomfortable because it’s his cousin from LA, the crazy rock and roll guy. So my peer group that were
in a separate building kept wanting to go to the bathroom because they had to walk by me so they could look at the freak
on the way to the bathroom. That’s how I met my wife. So she decided she had
to go to the restroom. So she walked by and she looked at me and I’ma probably start crying here but this pure innocent girl,
she looks at me and she smiles and that was, that was it. – [Scott] Have you talked
about that in years past or did you see the spirit behind her– – I didn’t know what it was,
I didn’t know what it was. I just knew that there was
this beautiful pure girl. What’s that? I’m hanging out with
very questionable people in my real life, and I’d
never seen purity I guess. and she looked at me and
she smiled and she said and that was it. I’ve used that lyric, she
looked at me and she smiled ’cause that just wrecked me, look at me. This is like 40 years ago. – That’s okay, we got leather
jackets on, we’re crying, this is good. – And it just wrecked me, and
I’m like snap out of it dude. Yeah, that’s how that happened. And then I got saved that night. – Oh, you did, it was that soon? – Yeah, ’cause I met her up before lunch and I met Jesus after dinner. – Okay, what changed in that day? The girl came by to gawk you and– – She came to look at the freak. – And it wrecked you. What changed between that time and the time you met Jesus after supper? – So my uncle’s church was sponsoring, there was a healing
ministry from San Diego so they were sponsoring
them, they were hosting them. So Wednesday night they
were at one of the poor, one of the most poorest churches in zone one in Guatemala. And he goes hey, why
don’t you come with us and you can bring your guitar,
he meant your 12-string and sit in with the band. Okay, so I did to appease my uncle and I’m sitting there playing my guitar and I’m like I’ve never heard these songs but I know exactly how it
goes and where they’re going. It was so predictable, so one-dimensional. I’m like, “This is the
best their God has?” This is lame. – [Scott] I could do better than this. – Yeah, it gave me an
idea, it was really lame. And so I was like turned off
by that but then afterward, so because they were from San Diego I didn’t need an interpreter and the guys, and I actually remember
something that he said and that’s in order for healing, for you to be a healing
component to a human being you’ve got to show odly compassion. I don’t know why I ever remembered that except I would get into
healing ministry obviously. But I always remember that. And then people lined up and
people were getting prayed and there was people,
eyes were being opened and limbs were… So my uncle comes up and he goes what do you think about this? I’m like I have no problem with this. Of course, this should be happening. I mean especially, I
wasn’t surprised by it. And he goes well, I’m like
hey whatever floats your boat. And he goes come on man,
he looked right through me. He goes come on man, you know what’s going on here. What do you’ve got to lose? And I’m like I’m in a third-world country, I don’t know the language. I’ve just been punked by my entire family, I don’t know what’s gonna happen or how long I’m gonna be here, I literally have nothing
to lose, nothing to lose. I can hit reset right now, so I hit reset. – Wow. – Yeah, and then I had a physical, I’ve mentioned this in the book but I never really
talked about it publicly but when I finished praying
and I opened up my eyes, something physical had
happened to my eyesight. Everything was brighter, crisper, clear. And so when I mentioned there was something wrong with
my eyes but in a good way, the guy that was praying for me, my uncle didn’t pray for me, the guy that was praying for
me got scared like uh-oh, something’s wrong here. And I explained it like this, it’s as if there was a
mesh lining over my eyes that’s now gone and I knew
nothing about Paul, scales. I had nothing, I had no reference. Not a physical transformation. – Just an amazing experience of Guatemala but it all changed when
you go back to the US and we’re gonna save that for next time. So we are talking with Allan Aguirre, this is Musicianary. And if you like what
you’re hearing, stay tuned. Next week there’s a lot more, we’ll see you next time
on Shabbat Night Live. (mellow music)