RAY TENSING IS THE UNIVERSITY OF CINCINNATI POLICE OFFICER WHO
KILLED SAM DUBOSE IN A ROUTINE TRAFFIC STOP AND HE IS AWAITING
TRIAL, BUT HE HAS ALREADY BEEN BAILED OUT DESPITE THE FACT THAT
HIS BAIL WAS SET INITIALLY AT $1 MILLION. HIS FATHER PAUL, A
RETIRED FIRE FIGHTER, PAID THE $100,000 BOND, BUT EVEN IF HIS
FATHER HAD NOT HAD THE $100,000 TO PAY FOR THE BOND, THEY
PROBABLY WOULD NOT HAVE MUCH TROUBLE GETTING THE MONEY,
BECAUSE APPARENTLY LOTS OF PEOPLE ONLINE, AS IS ALWAYS THE
CASE WITH THESE SITUATIONS, HAVE BEEN LINING UP TO HELP HIM OUT.
HIS ATTORNEY SAYS, I AM NOT PREPARED TO DO ANYTHING LIKE
THAT, REFERRING TO RAISING ONLINE MONEY FOR THE BAIL, OR
FOR LEGAL DEFENSE. BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE PREPARED
TO HELP. HIS FAMILY IS ATTEMPTING TO RAISE IT THROUGH
FAMILY MEMBERS. I’M NOT SURE WHERE WE ARE WITH IT. SO THEY
ALREADY HAVE THE BAIL, THEY MIGHT END UP RAISING 100,000
OR EVEN $1 MILLION. IF YOU ARE A COP IN AMERICA,
AND IF YOU LEGITIMATELY OR ILLEGITIMATELY KILL A BLACK MAN,
YOU WILL RAISE MORE THAN $1 MILLION. HOW DO YOU ILLEGITIMATELY KILL
— WITHOUT A CONDOM? WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? I MEAN LIKE, YOU DID
NOT NEED TO DO IT. IT WAS NOT IN ACTUAL DEFENSE OF
YOUR LIFE. YOU MEAN DEFENSIBLE? DEFENSIBLE. SURE. BUT NOW IN
THE WAKE OF HIM GETTING OUT AND GETTING BAIL, WE ARE FINDING OUT
THAT HE APPARENTLY, TENSING, IS HAVING A HARD TIME WITH IT. HIS
ATTORNEY IS SAYING THAT THE TOLL, THE STRESS, HAS STARTED TO
AFFECT HIM. THERE HAVE BEEN SOME SERIOUS THREATS MADE AGAINST HIS
CLIENT. “HE IS ALMOST LIKE A ZOMBIE. THIS MORNING HE ASKED ME SEVERAL
PROCEDURAL QUESTIONS, THEN A MINUTE LATER HE ASKS ME THE
SAME QUESTIONS LIKE IT IS NOT REGISTERING. HE IS KIND OF IN A TRANCE.” YOU KNOW WHO IS HAVING A HARD
TIME WITH THIS? DUBOSE, WHO IS DEAD. HE IS HAVING A REAL TOUGH
TIME. I LIKE HOW WE ARE ALL NOW SHIFTING FOCUS TO THE SYMPATHY
OF THE COP. LET’S BREAK THIS DOWN A COUPLE WAYS. FIRST OFF, I
DON’T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT BAIL AND BONDS, I THOUGHT ONE
MILLION DOLLAR BAIL MEANT A MILLION-DOLLAR BAIL? YOU ONLY
POST 10% AND YOU ARE OUT? AS MANY PEOPLE KNOW I AM NOT A
LAWYER, BUT I HAVE OFTEN HEARD THE 10% FIGURE, A BAIL
BONDSMAN NEEDS 10%. I THINK THEY CAN END UP HAVING TO
PAY IT UNDER CERTAIN SITUATIONS. I GET IT, THE GUY RUNS AND
THEN YOU ARE ON THE HOOK FOR 1 MILLION. BUT HIS DAD IS A
FIREFIGHTER, HE DOESN’T HAVE 1 MILLION, HE HAS $100,000, THE
GOOD NEWS IS THE UNIONS IN THIS COUNTRY ARE APPARENTLY WORKING,
BECAUSE FIREFIGHTERS HAVE $100,000 TO PUT UP ON A MOMENT’S
NOTICE. ON THE ISSUE THAT PEOPLE WANT TO DONATE TO HIM, WHY? WHAT
IS GOING ON WITH YOU GUYS? EVEN THE CINCINNATI POLICE, THE COPS
IN OHIO, ARE LIKE, THAT TAPE IS BAD. HE SHOT HIM
RIGHT IN THE HEAD. OBVIOUSLY HE WAS NOT ARMED. YOU COULD ARGUE MAYBE HE
WOULD’VE HAD A WEAPON IF THEY GOT INTO A STANDOFF, BUT AT
THE TIME HE SHOT HIM WE ALL KNEW HE DIDN’T HAVE A WEAPON. IT IS ON THE TAPE, AND THAT IS
WHY THEY CHARGED HIM WITH MURDER. THAT IS WHY HE HAD TO LIE AND
SAY HE WAS BEING DRAGGED BY THE CAR, BECAUSE HE KNEW THAT
WHAT HE DID WAS WRONG. I THINK HE UNDERSTOOD IT AS
SOON AS IT HAPPENED. HE PROBABLY REALIZED, I AM NOT SUPPOSED TO
INSTANTLY SHOOT SOMEONE IN THE HEAD WHEN THEY ARE DRIVING. THAT
IS WHAT SHOCKS ME THE MOST, THAT DEFENDERS KEEP SAYING, HE WAS
DRIVING OFF. HE WAS TRYING TO GET AWAY. I AM THINKING, I
DIDN’T KNOW THAT IF SOMEBODY TRIES — LET’S SAY HE WAS TRYING
TO GET AWAY, HE DID NOT WANT A TICKET. YOU DON’T GET TO EXECUTE
HIM IN THE HEAD. IT IS INCONVENIENT TO HAVE TO GET BACK
INTO YOUR CAR AND CHASE HIM, OR GET ON THE RADIO AND SAY, MEET
ME AT SUCH AND SUCH A LOCATION. THAT RUINS YOUR DAY AS A COP,
YOU DON’T GET TO EXECUTE HIM TO SAVE TIME. BUT CLIVEN BUNDY WAS TRYING
TO GET AWAY, IN FACT HE PULLED WEAPONS ON GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS
AND SAID YOU CAN TRY TO COME HERE AND TAKE WHAT I OWE THE
GOVERNMENT, I WILL FIRE AT YOU AND KILL YOU. RIGHT? SO UNDER
THESE GUYS’ LOGIC — AND BUNDY, WE KNOW WAS ARMED. HE POINTED IT
AT COPS. I ASSUME THE RIGHT-WINGERS WHO ARE SUPPORTING
TENSING SAY THE COPS SHOULD HAVE JUST GONE UP AND, BOOM, ONE IN
THE HEAD FOR BUNDY, HE IS DEAD, HE HAD IT COMING. AND EVERYONE
ON THE RANCH WITH WEAPONS, OR NO WEAPONS, BOOM, BOOM, BOOM,
EXECUTE THEM IN THE HEAD. THAT IS WHAT YOU WANT, RIGHT? WE
DON’T WANT THAT, BUT APPARENTLY YOU ARE SO COMFORTABLE WITH IT
THAT YOU ARE WILLING TO DONATE MONEY TO THAT GUY FOR HIS BAIL.
THAT IS UNBELIEVABLE TO ME. BUT THINK ABOUT IT, YOU CAN THINK
MANY DIFFERENT THINGS. YOU CAN SAY, WELL, THE COP IN THE
BEGINNING WAS KIND OF POLITE, HE WAS ASKING — I SAID THAT WHEN
WE DID THE VIDEO. HE SHOULD NOT HAVE DONE THAT, IT WAS A
MISTAKE, HE WASN’T A RACIST — YOU CAN SAY THOSE THINGS. THAT
IS FINE. BUT WE SAW ON TAPE THAT HE EXECUTED HIM, HE IS CHARGED
FOR MURDER, HE DOES NOT KNOW DUBOSE, HE HAPPENED TO BE IN
THAT SITUATION — WHAT MOTIVATES YOU TO THINK, I HAVE TO TAKE MY
HARD EARNED DOLLARS AND MAKE SURE THAT GUY WHO KILLED AN
UNARMED BLACK MAN IS OUT ON BAIL, HE IS OUT IN FREE AND CAN
ROAM AROUND. WHAT IS IT ABOUT THAT? ARE YOU CELEBRATING IT? IF
HE EXECUTED AN UNARMED BLACK GUY, I WANT TO GIVE
HIM MY MONEY. I GUESS THAT IS WHAT — I DON’T
— I AM AMAZED BY THAT. I WILL GUESS RACISTS? PROBABLY, YES. THAT IS THE OBVIOUS ANSWER. THERE ARE A LOT OF RACISTS, A
LOT OF HATE ORGANIZATIONS, THAT IS WHO THOSE
PEOPLE ARE, RIGHT? HE KILLED A BLACK GUY, GOOD,
LET’S GIVE HIM MONEY. THESE GUYS GIVING MONEY TO
TENSING HAVE THE POTENTIAL, YOU ARE SAYING DEFINITELY, OF BEING
FAR MORE RACIST THAN TENSING HIMSELF. TENSING GOT CAUGHT UP
IN THIS SITUATION, THEY GET TRAINED TO SHOOT, SHOOT, SHOOT,
HE PANICKED AND SHOT THE GUY AND KILLED HIM, HE SHOULD NOT HAVE
DONE IT, WE WILL FIGURE OUT IF IT IS MURDER OR NEGLIGENT
HOMICIDE, BUT GUYS WHO ARE LIKE, OH, I HAVE TO GIVE MONEY TO THE
GUY WHO SHOT THE BLACK GUY IN THE HEAD, TO ME, YOU KNEW WHAT
WAS HAPPENING. THAT WAS NOT A SPLIT-SECOND DECISION. LET ME
GET OUT MY CHECKBOOK, I LOVE THIS GUY, YOU KNOW WHAT I’M
SAYING? THAT IS ALSO PRESUPPOSING THAT
THE COP WOULD NOT DO THAT TO YOU IF YOU WERE IN THE SAME
SITUATION. THEY ASSUME, ESPECIALLY THE
VERY RACIST PEOPLE HE IS TALKING ABOUT, IT WOULD NOT BE
ME. THAT IS EXACTLY RIGHT. IN A LOT OF CASES, THEY ARE
PROBABLY RIGHT. AT THE SAME TIME, THEY PRETEND
TO BE OUTRAGED IF YOU SAY THAT THEY ARE RACIST OR THERE IS ANY
RACISM IN THE COUNTRY AT ALL. AND THEY WILL THINK, IT
WOULD NOT BE ME. WHY WOULDN’T IT BE YOU? BECAUSE THEY MIGHT DO IT TO A
BLACK GUY BUT NOT A WHITE GUY. NO RACISM, I DON’T KNOW WHAT YOU
ARE TALKING ABOUT. WE HAVE COVERED I DON’T KNOW
HOW MANY INSTANCES OF KILLINGS LIKE THIS OR BEATINGS LIKE THIS,
OVER AND OVER, I CAN’T THINK OF ONE, NO MATTER HOW OBVIOUS IT
WAS THAT THE COP WAS NOT DOING WHAT HE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE
DOING, THAT DID NOT HAVE DEFENDERS. THEY CAN DO THE MOST
INDEFENSIBLE STUFF, BUT IN THE END THEY GET DEFENDERS. IN THIS
CASE WHERE WE SEE THE VIDEO, THIS COULD BE ANOTHER CASE OF
WHAT JR WAS TALKING ABOUT EARLIER, I BELIEVE WITH ERIC
GARNER — IF THIS DOES NOT GET PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IS
GOING ON, APPARENTLY THE BODY CAMERAS DON’T DO SHIT. IT
DOESN’T MATTER IF WE HAVE THE FOOTAGE BECAUSE WE ARE WATCHING
IT, BUT RACISTS WILL STILL DEFEND HIM. HE MIGHT STILL GET
OFF. TO BE FAIR, THE BODY CAMERA
MADE AN ENORMOUS DIFFERENCE HERE. HE IS CHARGED WITH MURDER.
IF WE DIDN’T HAVE THE BODY CAMERA, HE IS NOT CHARGED WITH
ANYTHING. HE SAYS, OH, HE HIT ME, HE DRAGGED ME WITH THE CAR,
NOBODY QUESTIONS THAT COP. IF THERE IS NO CAMERA, NOBODY
QUESTIONS HIM. HE COULD GO KILL OTHER PEOPLE AND NOBODY WILL
QUESTION HIM ABOUT THAT. AT LEAST HE’S BEING BROUGHT UP ON
CHARGES. WHAT YOU ARE SAYING, JOHN, IS WITH SOME PEOPLE IT
DOESN’T MATTER. BUT ALSO, YOU WERE TALKING
ABOUT HOW HE INITIALLY CLAIMED HE HAD BEEN DRAGGED. HE WASN’T
THE ONLY ONE WHO DID THAT, THERE WERE TWO OTHER OFFICERS ON THE
SCENE, WHO KNOWS IF THEY ACTUALLY SAW WHAT HAPPENED, BUT
THEY CLAIMED THAT HE TOO FIRED ONLY AFTER BEING DRAGGED IN
SELF-DEFENSE. HE WAS UNDERNEATH THE CAR, AND SOMEHOW IN
SELF-DEFENSE HE SHOT. THOSE POLICE OFFICERS, WHO WE NOW KNOW
WERE LYING, EITHER LYING AND SAW IT AND KNEW THEY WERE LYING OR
SIMPLY COVERED UP FOR HIM EVEN THOUGH THEY HAD NOT SEEN WHAT
HAPPENED, EITHER WAY THEY WERE LYING. THERE WILL BE NO CHARGES AGAINST
THOSE TWO OFFICERS, DESPITE THE FACT THEY WERE KNOWINGLY OR
UNKNOWINGLY COVERING UP FOR MURDER. TO BE FAIR, IF YOU LIE TO THE
COPS OR THE FBI, THEY WILL NOT CHARGE YOU. AND THEY KNOW FOR A
FACT, THEY HAVE EVIDENCE OF YOU LYING, THEY’LL JUST BE LIKE, OH,
THAT WAS IN THE PAST. WE DON’T LOOK BACKWARD. RIGHT? YOU THINK COPS MIGHT PLAY UNDER
DIFFERENT RULES, JIMMY? I THINK THERE MIGHT BE A
TWO-TIER SYSTEM OF JUSTICE IN AMERICA. BUT CENK, I WANT TO
MAKE THE POINT THAT 99.9% OF COPS ARE GOOD. SO WHAT WE ARE SAYING HERE DOES
NOT MEAN ANYTHING. THAT IS WHAT WOLF BLITZER
SAID. HE DID A WHOLE SEGMENT,
IMAGINE IF WE DID THIS ENTIRE STORY AND WE WENT,
OH, BY THE WAY, 99.9% OF COPS ARE GOOD, SO DON’T
WORRY ABOUT IT. JUST A FEW BAD APPLES, AND EVERY
OTHER APPLE THAT SUPPORTS THEM.